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bpearly69
I'll start with my favorite team is the Red Sox.
I believe their direction is competing.
The biggest needs for this team is to pick up a couple of big hitters, mostly resigning Bay or going out and picking up Holliday, and then making a trade for Adrian Gonzalez, I don't believe they have to go out and get a big time pitcher, there aren't a ton of top guys sitting in the minors, Bowden, Kelly, but those guys seem still a year or two away, Tazawa as well, but a simple signing would be nice, I wouldn't mind them going for Harden, slating him as a #4 guy, let him get the extra rest because of injury, I do not want Lackey because I never believed he was a top pitcher as many have, and I wouldn't want them trading guys like Buchholz, Kelly, Westmoreland for Halladay, because word is it'd take even more then those 3.
So to sum it up.
I believe their number 1 need is 2 big hitters- Bay/Halladay and Gonzalez.
Trade Lowell in a deal to land some pitching depth.
the other need is the bullpen, which was strong, it looks like right now Papelbon isn't gonna be here for much longer due to money disagreements.
The last thing I believe they need to move out some dead weight. I believe one of those is J.D. Drew, I hated the signing when they first got him and other then his playoff heroics he has not been much value to the team, I have a feeling though they are gonna stick to his injury plagued, in-consistent play until his contract runs out.
The other is Dice-K, he has 1 more year until I'd give up on him, if he can prove to be atleast a #3 I'd be happy, he was clearly overhyped.
how about everyone else? what you think
Baseball Off-season
December 08, 2009 at 02:19PM View BBCode
What is your favorite team and what is the best for your team In your opinion, biggest needs, which direction they should take and so on.I'll start with my favorite team is the Red Sox.
I believe their direction is competing.
The biggest needs for this team is to pick up a couple of big hitters, mostly resigning Bay or going out and picking up Holliday, and then making a trade for Adrian Gonzalez, I don't believe they have to go out and get a big time pitcher, there aren't a ton of top guys sitting in the minors, Bowden, Kelly, but those guys seem still a year or two away, Tazawa as well, but a simple signing would be nice, I wouldn't mind them going for Harden, slating him as a #4 guy, let him get the extra rest because of injury, I do not want Lackey because I never believed he was a top pitcher as many have, and I wouldn't want them trading guys like Buchholz, Kelly, Westmoreland for Halladay, because word is it'd take even more then those 3.
So to sum it up.
I believe their number 1 need is 2 big hitters- Bay/Halladay and Gonzalez.
Trade Lowell in a deal to land some pitching depth.
the other need is the bullpen, which was strong, it looks like right now Papelbon isn't gonna be here for much longer due to money disagreements.
The last thing I believe they need to move out some dead weight. I believe one of those is J.D. Drew, I hated the signing when they first got him and other then his playoff heroics he has not been much value to the team, I have a feeling though they are gonna stick to his injury plagued, in-consistent play until his contract runs out.
The other is Dice-K, he has 1 more year until I'd give up on him, if he can prove to be atleast a #3 I'd be happy, he was clearly overhyped.
how about everyone else? what you think
FuriousGiorge
December 08, 2009 at 03:28PM View BBCode
There are few things more strange than the irrational hatred of JD Drew shared by so many Red Sox fans.
happy
December 08, 2009 at 03:38PM View BBCode
Well he has played a mere 386 games since joining Boston in 2007, and has been pretty useless in those 386 games, putting up a pedestrian .390 OBP and .485 SLG. Hell, last year he was only 2nd on the team in OBP, and 3rd in OPS. Of course there were the playoff heroics, but his regular season is just too crappy to overlook. Also Manny Ramirez. He sucks too.
happy
December 08, 2009 at 03:39PM View BBCode
if a tree fell and crushed all of boston, and no one was there to hear their screams, would anyone care?
dirtdevil
December 08, 2009 at 04:14PM View BBCode
it's because i don't have much in the way of regional affiliations.
thatrogue
[size=0](you are a Cowboys fan, after all)[/size]
December 08, 2009 at 04:27PM View BBCode
Or good sense...[size=0](you are a Cowboys fan, after all)[/size]
dirtdevil
December 08, 2009 at 04:28PM View BBCode
this coming from a guy who cheers for the broncos and seventy-five other teams i can't remember?
thatrogue
Get it right...
December 08, 2009 at 04:29PM View BBCode
It's only seventy-two teams. But at least NONE of them are the Cowboys!
FuriousGiorge
December 08, 2009 at 04:38PM View BBCode
Gentlemen, gentlemen. You both root for completely inexplicable teams.
Faceman
December 08, 2009 at 04:42PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
There are few things more strange than the irrational hatred of JD Drew shared by so manyRed Soxfans of any team he has ever played for.
bpearly69
For 15 million a year, he's expected to put up better numbers then a average to solid hitter, for 15 mill he should be better then .275ish, 15-20 homers and 60 rbi, if you look past OBP and OPS and actually saw it on a everyday basis you'd probably think the same, he's not worth the money they signed him for, if you go year by year he is very streaky at some point, i believe it was 08, look at June, the bulk of his numbers came in that 1 month, in 07 it was june and September, in 09 it was august and September, he's not consistent, doesn't hit for a very high average, doesn't hit for the power, so for 15 million, what makes him worth that? His high OBP? So a high OBP is now worth 15 million a year? A guy who can't play everyday? so a low amount of runs scored, low rbi total, average home runs and average numbers, doesn't steal bases, and a decent fielder, I don't see the worth of 15 million there, why try to start trouble? Is it so hard to follow the topic?
December 08, 2009 at 04:44PM View BBCode
I've been the one defending Manny.. find my saying he's a better hitter then Pujols.For 15 million a year, he's expected to put up better numbers then a average to solid hitter, for 15 mill he should be better then .275ish, 15-20 homers and 60 rbi, if you look past OBP and OPS and actually saw it on a everyday basis you'd probably think the same, he's not worth the money they signed him for, if you go year by year he is very streaky at some point, i believe it was 08, look at June, the bulk of his numbers came in that 1 month, in 07 it was june and September, in 09 it was august and September, he's not consistent, doesn't hit for a very high average, doesn't hit for the power, so for 15 million, what makes him worth that? His high OBP? So a high OBP is now worth 15 million a year? A guy who can't play everyday? so a low amount of runs scored, low rbi total, average home runs and average numbers, doesn't steal bases, and a decent fielder, I don't see the worth of 15 million there, why try to start trouble? Is it so hard to follow the topic?
thatrogue
December 08, 2009 at 04:46PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FacemanAs well as teams he rejected playing for when drafted by them.
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
There are few things more strange than the irrational hatred of JD Drew shared by so manyRed Soxfans of any team he has ever played for.
dirtdevil
yeah, which just gets more ridiculous every time you say it. you should stop.
December 08, 2009 at 04:47PM View BBCode
Originally posted by bpearly69
I've been the one defending Manny.. find my saying he's a better hitter then Pujols.
yeah, which just gets more ridiculous every time you say it. you should stop.
barterer2002
I am doubtful that any fan base despises JD Drew more than those in Philadelphia, that's for sure.
December 08, 2009 at 04:55PM View BBCode
Originally posted by thatrogue
Originally posted by FacemanAs well as teams he rejected playing for when drafted by them.
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
There are few things more strange than the irrational hatred of JD Drew shared by so manyRed Soxfans of any team he has ever played for.
I am doubtful that any fan base despises JD Drew more than those in Philadelphia, that's for sure.
FuriousGiorge
December 08, 2009 at 04:58PM View BBCode
Which doesn't fit the theme, since FaceMatt (and the Red Sox kid) hate JD Drew because he played for their teams, whereas you hate him because he didn't. If he's as terrible as they think, you should be thrilled that he didn't sign with the Phillies.
barterer2002
December 08, 2009 at 04:59PM View BBCode
I understand your point however, we hated him before he ever played
barterer2002
December 08, 2009 at 05:01PM View BBCode
We'll let it go when the rest of the world lets that snowballs at santa thing (which happened in 1968 of course but still comes up 5-6 times a year) go
FuriousGiorge
December 08, 2009 at 05:04PM View BBCode
They also mention that you threw batteries at....well, you know. So you're not doing yourselves any favors here.
dirtdevil
i do get the jd drew hate though. he just seems like the prototypical 'me first' kind of player that eveybody hates.
December 08, 2009 at 05:38PM View BBCode
i'm sorry bart, but abusing santa claus is the sort of thing that sticks in people's minds, you know?i do get the jd drew hate though. he just seems like the prototypical 'me first' kind of player that eveybody hates.
happy
he has.
look past OBP and OPS to....RBIs and batting average? Would you like me to go find a time machine and go back in time to a time where people werent smart enough to understand basic and more important metrics?
some would say that a .485 SLG% is hitting for power. And by "some" I mean "most anyone who looks any further than "home runs". His career slugging percentage is 30th among active players. His career on base percentage is 12th.
yes.
exactly zero players on the team played "everyday" any of the years that Drew has been on the team. J.D. Drew was 5th on the team in games played. Kevin Youkilis was behind him, you seem to like Youkilis.
thats because you are looking in the wrong spot. Its like trying to find a cow on a chicken farm.
I am not trying to start trouble. We have a difference of opinion. I guess to you, that's trouble.
I dont care what you deemed this thread to be about, nor does anyone else. No one responded to your topic. A real conversation tends to tangentially change topics. Deal with it.
December 08, 2009 at 05:52PM View BBCode
Originally posted by bpearly69
For 15 million a year, he's expected to put up better numbers then a average to solid hitter,
he has.
Originally posted by bpearly69 for 15 mill he should be better then .275ish, 15-20 homers and 60 rbi, if you look past OBP and OPS and actually saw it on a everyday basis you'd probably think the same, he's not worth the money they signed him for,
look past OBP and OPS to....RBIs and batting average? Would you like me to go find a time machine and go back in time to a time where people werent smart enough to understand basic and more important metrics?
Originally posted by bpearly69
if you go year by year he is very streaky at some point, i believe it was 08, look at June, the bulk of his numbers came in that 1 month, in 07 it was june and September, in 09 it was august and September, he's not consistent, doesn't hit for a very high average, doesn't hit for the power,
some would say that a .485 SLG% is hitting for power. And by "some" I mean "most anyone who looks any further than "home runs". His career slugging percentage is 30th among active players. His career on base percentage is 12th.
Originally posted by bpearly69
so for 15 million, what makes him worth that? His high OBP? So a high OBP is now worth 15 million a year?
yes.
Originally posted by bpearly69
A guy who can't play everyday?
exactly zero players on the team played "everyday" any of the years that Drew has been on the team. J.D. Drew was 5th on the team in games played. Kevin Youkilis was behind him, you seem to like Youkilis.
Originally posted by bpearly69
so a low amount of runs scored, low rbi total, average home runs and average numbers, doesn't steal bases, and a decent fielder, I don't see the worth of 15 million there,
thats because you are looking in the wrong spot. Its like trying to find a cow on a chicken farm.
Originally posted by bpearly69
why try to start trouble? Is it so hard to follow the topic?
I am not trying to start trouble. We have a difference of opinion. I guess to you, that's trouble.
I dont care what you deemed this thread to be about, nor does anyone else. No one responded to your topic. A real conversation tends to tangentially change topics. Deal with it.
Faceman
I don't hate JD Drew, personally, thank you.
But yeah most Cardinals fans do not care for him. Of course, nobody really cares since trading him brought STL Adam Wainright.
JD Drew was in a contract year, the Cards wouldn't have resigned him anyway.
He was one of my favorites when he was in STL, and he played. I wasn't terribly sorry to see him go though.
December 08, 2009 at 05:59PM View BBCode
Originally posted by FuriousGiorge
Which doesn't fit the theme, since FaceMatt (and the Red Sox kid) hate JD Drew because he played for their teams, whereas you hate him because he didn't. If he's as terrible as they think, you should be thrilled that he didn't sign with the Phillies.
I don't hate JD Drew, personally, thank you.
But yeah most Cardinals fans do not care for him. Of course, nobody really cares since trading him brought STL Adam Wainright.
JD Drew was in a contract year, the Cards wouldn't have resigned him anyway.
He was one of my favorites when he was in STL, and he played. I wasn't terribly sorry to see him go though.
FuriousGiorge
December 08, 2009 at 06:07PM View BBCode
Okay. I mean, I don't think JD Drew is worth all of these words from any of us, but he's a guy who people don't seem to ever have an objective opinion about. He is a very good player who gets injured a lot and therefore is generally not worth the contracts that he signs. But if you're a fan of a team like the Red Sox where money is generally not much of an object, and you think your team needs offensive production, then you're crazy to also want that team to deal away JD Drew.