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FuriousGiorge
January 05, 2009 at 07:32PM View BBCode
You know who really came back to earth after a hot start? Jason Collins.
dirtdevil
January 05, 2009 at 07:39PM View BBCode
he's still better than brett favre. also trent dilfer, jeff hoestettler, jeff george, tim hasselback and ty detmer- all better than favre.
FuriousGiorge
January 05, 2009 at 07:41PM View BBCode
You forgot Sean Salisbury. DON'T FORGET SEAN SALISBURY! (I know Happy's not arguing this, but his anti-Favre thing borders on the pathological, like the More Cowbell guy and his Shanahan thing).
tm4559
January 05, 2009 at 07:41PM View BBCode
sammy baugh, not as good. also dead. that is why. right up until then, still much better.
FuriousGiorge
January 05, 2009 at 07:43PM View BBCode
No, Slingin' Sammy played back in the 30's and 40's, when his competition was nothing but cripples, midgets and weedy Chinamen who could pass as white. Even Favre is better than Sammy Baugh. Also, Favre is a better receiver than Don Hutson.
happy
January 05, 2009 at 07:47PM View BBCode
You gotta remember that its only a 16 game season, sometimes you can look at the stats and realize that player simply had a lucky season. I saw that, you didnt. You say he was top 5 last year, i say he was lucky. Luck with interceptions, players playing above potential around him, whatever. The offensive line and the WRs? thats just further information to show that the stats you were looking at was misleading. now you and everyone else can look back and say "whoops, maybe he wasnt that great." or you can defend your dumb position to the end of the earth. Which one do you think I expected out of you? (hint: Do you still think Gravity isnt a theory?)
happy
January 05, 2009 at 07:50PM View BBCode
Campbell is better than favre. Or.... im sorry, dont let the massive interception discrepency deter from your manlove.
tm4559
January 05, 2009 at 07:55PM View BBCode
sure, campbell is better than favre now. campbell was not available to the jets though. was he?
FuriousGiorge
January 05, 2009 at 07:57PM View BBCode
I don't know who this "Campbell" is (also, the "gravity is a theory" thing, what the hell is that all about?)
tm4559
January 05, 2009 at 08:14PM View formatted
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i always have trouble with that name. is it cambpell? that doesn't look right. maybe i am blocking it, their law school turned me down.
dirtdevil
do you ever read the actual response you receive, or just compose your statements in reaction to the response that you think you're going to get? you would, however, know all about defending a dumb position until the end of the earth. it's your idiom.
(you're doing it now)
January 05, 2009 at 08:36PM View BBCode
Originally posted by happy
You gotta remember that its only a 16 game season, sometimes you can look at the stats and realize that player simply had a lucky season. I saw that, you didnt. You say he was top 5 last year, i say he was lucky. Luck with interceptions, players playing above potential around him, whatever. The offensive line and the WRs? thats just further information to show that the stats you were looking at was misleading. now you and everyone else can look back and say "whoops, maybe he wasnt that great." or you can defend your dumb position to the end of the earth. Which one do you think I expected out of you? (hint: Do you still think Gravity isnt a theory?)
do you ever read the actual response you receive, or just compose your statements in reaction to the response that you think you're going to get? you would, however, know all about defending a dumb position until the end of the earth. it's your idiom.
(you're doing it now)
dirtdevil
my position: bret favre, for a large portion of his career, has had a reputation as a qb greater than his actual skills at qb.
happy's position: bret favre is overrated.
difference: next to none.
my position: bret favre is a better qb than the skill level the jets received from that position over the past couple of seasons.
happy's position: bret favre sucks, but he might, possibly be better than kellen clemens, whoever he is.
difference: again, minimal.
my position: notwithstanding my disdain for favre's reputation, he did have a very good season last year, with top-5 quality results during that season.
happy's position: bret favre sucks and i don't like him. therefore any success he might appear to have is not the result of his performance but rather the result of one or all of a stellar o-line, yac on the part of the receiving core or a soft schedule. bret favre is not, was not last year and never has been a top 5 nfl qb, regardless of what statistics and mvp trophies might suggest
difference: huh. now that i've outlined them side by side, my position does look like the dumb one, doesn't it?
January 05, 2009 at 08:50PM View BBCode
to summarize:my position: bret favre, for a large portion of his career, has had a reputation as a qb greater than his actual skills at qb.
happy's position: bret favre is overrated.
difference: next to none.
my position: bret favre is a better qb than the skill level the jets received from that position over the past couple of seasons.
happy's position: bret favre sucks, but he might, possibly be better than kellen clemens, whoever he is.
difference: again, minimal.
my position: notwithstanding my disdain for favre's reputation, he did have a very good season last year, with top-5 quality results during that season.
happy's position: bret favre sucks and i don't like him. therefore any success he might appear to have is not the result of his performance but rather the result of one or all of a stellar o-line, yac on the part of the receiving core or a soft schedule. bret favre is not, was not last year and never has been a top 5 nfl qb, regardless of what statistics and mvp trophies might suggest
difference: huh. now that i've outlined them side by side, my position does look like the dumb one, doesn't it?
whiskybear
January 05, 2009 at 08:53PM View BBCode
You gotta remember that the receivers Favre had to throw to was good. You also gotta remember his offensive linemen was good. You gotta!
tm4559
January 05, 2009 at 08:55PM View BBCode
we are going to do unitas tomorrow. staubach on wednesday. you don't want to miss that.
whiskybear
I think they is still good.
January 05, 2009 at 08:55PM View BBCode
Originally posted by dirtdevil
i wonder if they're still good this year?
I think they is still good.
dirtdevil
obviously. i wonder if anyone has ever critiqued happy on the validity of his arguments instead?
January 05, 2009 at 08:58PM View BBCode
Originally posted by Faceman
deke, you are clearly reading to argue
obviously. i wonder if anyone has ever critiqued happy on the validity of his arguments instead?
dirtdevil
staubach. pfft. lost 3 super bowls. three. plus he went in the navy first. how dumb was that?
unitas? the best season his team ever had? hurt. 1958 championship game? those guys were terrible anyway. my pop warner team could have beat them.
January 05, 2009 at 09:01PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
we are going to do unitas tomorrow. staubach on wednesday. you don't want to miss that.
staubach. pfft. lost 3 super bowls. three. plus he went in the navy first. how dumb was that?
unitas? the best season his team ever had? hurt. 1958 championship game? those guys were terrible anyway. my pop warner team could have beat them.
tm4559
(imagine what namath could have done with today's rules, that see the quarterback as practically unhittable, and receivers downfield strictly off limits. i mean, he would be awesome. i mean, he was awesome, even with the knees of a 70 year old.)
January 05, 2009 at 09:04PM View BBCode
our resident awesomes informed us one day that Joe Wilie Namath was something of a clown also. that one went right on by without a fight really.(imagine what namath could have done with today's rules, that see the quarterback as practically unhittable, and receivers downfield strictly off limits. i mean, he would be awesome. i mean, he was awesome, even with the knees of a 70 year old.)
dirtdevil
January 05, 2009 at 09:04PM View BBCode
also, staubach and unitas? not as good as jason collins-campbell.
dirtdevil
don't be silly. he played like, pre-merger. those guys sucked. plus his receiver, well i've never heard of him and i'm sure he sucked because of when he played, but namath's success was still all because of him.
January 05, 2009 at 09:07PM View BBCode
Originally posted by tm4559
our resident awesomes informed us one day that Joe Wilie Namath was something of a clown also. that one went right on by without a fight really.
(imagine what namath could have done with today's rules, that see the quarterback as practically unhittable, and receivers downfield strictly off limits. i mean, he would be awesome. i mean, he was awesome, even with the knees of a 70 year old.)
don't be silly. he played like, pre-merger. those guys sucked. plus his receiver, well i've never heard of him and i'm sure he sucked because of when he played, but namath's success was still all because of him.
tm4559
January 05, 2009 at 09:08PM View BBCode
when the redskins beat Staubach and the Cowboys in the NFC Championship game, i was thunderstruck. i did not actually think such a thing was humanly possible.